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Oliver
In 1995, I took Adele Munisteri's spinning class at the Reebok Sports Club. More...
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Feats Completed
- The Love Challenge:
- Love Belly
- Love Body
- Love Soul
See all feats for The Love Challenge- Social Workout Challenge: New Years Edition:
- Stand Up
- Sleep Log
- Pimp Your Bed
- Sun Salutes
- Take A Bath
- Jan Plan Plus
- Go Fish
- Home Food
- See all feats for Social Workout Challenge: New Years Edition
- Emergency Holiday Challenge:
- Family Oriented
- Reindeer Gaming
- Walking on Christmas
- See all feats for Emergency Holiday Challenge
- Eat. Sweat. Blog.:
- Flog
- No-moo
- Caffeine free
- Brightly Colored
- Just Water
- Raw food day
- Localvore
- Unsweetened
- Soda Free
- Go Veggie
- See all feats for Eat. Sweat. Blog.
- Other Feats:
- Cartwheel
- Wheel Pose
- Handstand by 20
- Jump Rope - One Minute with Five Crossies
- Moonwalk
- Juggle
- Sing
- Headstand
- Spot Turn
- Chinups
- 2009 Feats of Summer 50 Workout Challenge
- Recover from H1N1 Virus
- Commuting Meditation
- Mile Run
- Half Mile Swim
- Free Throws
- Group Fitness Class Sampler
- Situps
- See all feats
Funded
Lift Gets a Lift
The "quantified self" is growing up. TechCrunch reports that San Francisco-based Lift, the company behind the eponymous habit tracking iPhone App, has raised $2.5 million from a crew of A-list investors. Joining the Twitter braintrust who seeded the company are a group of Silicon Valley heavyweights AND some big media names including Tony Robbins and Timothy Ferriss. Last week, please recall, virtual weightloss/personal training site Retrofit raised $8 million from Draper Fisher Jurvetson. Will all the money and technology actually get people to step away from their chips and screens? Short answer: Yes, but the products have a long way to go....
Shiny New Things
Personal Tracking Device Mania!
Move over Fitbit, Nike FuelBand, Jawbone Up, Larklife, and all the rest, here comes Misfit Shine! Behold, the Misfit is smaller and shinier than it's competition, and it plays nicely with jean pockets and t-shirt collars. More to the point, it can tell when you're swimming or riding a bicycle which is a first in the category.
What also sets the Shine apart is that it's not yet available for sale. The product is still in the prototype stage, and so the San Francisco-based Misfit crew has launched an Indigogo campaign (kind of like Kickstarter) to raise the funds to take their device from dream to reality. Thusfar, they've raised $348K, crushing their own 100K goal.
That still doesn't seem like quite enough of a war chest, however, to compete with Nike. Get out your credit cards! We love the tiny, shiny form factor, and are generally glad to see that the pot of tracking device innovation boileth over. Our big question remains: What social software platform will integrate all these disparate hardware devices so we can all play together virtual-like? Just asking.
Press
Social Workout Makes Esquire's Top Social Fitness List
A. J. Jacobs, the World's Healthiest Man, has nicely included Social Workout in his recent Esquire magazine round up of top "social fitness" sites. Cool! It's a funny, short read and includes info on the big devices (FitBit, Nike+, Withings), as well as Social Workout, Fitocracy and Stickk.
"There are many good and noble reasons to exercise. It cuts down on stress. Keeps your gut from becoming walrusesque. Helps ensure you'll stick around long enough to see your kids go to the prom. But my main motivation for exercise these days? To humiliate my friend Kevin....
Quantified Self
The Future of Bracelets
David Pogue on the Times reviews the Nike FuelBand and the new-and-improved UP band by Jawbone. His verdict: FuelBand is a "one trick pony," but a pretty slick one. Up aims higher, but falls a bit short of its goals due to a few pesky design flaws. Still, he says, it's "not bad for a rubber band." Our take: The bracelet form factor has arrived, and it's a big deal. People WANT to wear things on their wrists, and the Pogue review marks an inflection point in the slow, inexorable advance of wearable computing and self-quantification. Not to be too melodramatic, or anything....
Mad Skillz
Soccer Art!
Whimsical Friday mind-body inspiration. Oh to be a young white male with too much time on your hands....
Twinkie Defense
Drop the Pop!
A new Harvard study of nearly 1,878 Boston area high schoolers suggests that "heavy soda drinkers were much more prone to violent behavior than other teens." Doh! Apparently the effect is similar, but possibly stronger, than that of alcohol. Got issues with your Mountain Dew? Just click through to Social Workout's battle-tested soda drinking "limit" goals....
Deals
Endomondo Scores Big Coke Deal
Today's big social fitness headline: Coca-Cola forms "strategic alliance" with Danish fitness app maker Endomondo. Coke, (like Pepsi), is pushing to instill health-consciousness into its brand. Who says those Bloombergian anti-soda ads don't carry some weight? In any event, we approve of the move, which gives Coke's sports drink, Powerade, immediate daily exposure to Endo's global athlete-end users. Endomondo, clearly, gets a big marketing push. The service currently claims 12 million users, though unclear how many of those are active.
Ancient Greeks
Health Secrets of the Aegean
Oh to be Greek and living on the island of Ikaria, where people live to be 100, laughing, dancing, and, um, still having sex. The New York Times reports today on a study of Ikarian men between 65 and 100, noting that "80 percent of them claimed to have sex regularly, and a quarter of that self-reported group said they were doing so with “good duration” and “achievement.”
The dude in the picture is Evangelos Koutis, age 99. To paraphrase When Harry Met Sally, "I'll have what he's having."
Research
Sitting Will Still Kill You
The evidence is mounting that excessive sitting will, um, shorten your life. "Every single hour of television watched after the age of 25," reports the NY Times today, "reduces the viewer’s life expectancy by 21.8 minutes."
Put another way: "An adult who spends an average of six hours a day watching TV over the course of a lifetime can expect to live 4.8 years fewer than a person who does not watch TV."
Ouch. And, get this, these results hold even for people who also exercise. Exercise is critical, but lot's of sitting remains dangerous even still. The good news, however, is that there is a simple solution: Get up and move around! Run, don't walk to Social Workout, and set yourself a goal: Workday stretch breaks for example, or maybe you want to track your walking minutes, miles, or steps?
Choose your metric, and begin managing what you measure. We've got your back.
Workout
Friday Funky Sexy with James Ervin
I've been ranting about James of late. What amazes me about him is the expressiveness of his body. He can say things with little flips of shoulder or foot, that I can appreciate, but never replicate. He's fluent, I'm mute.
Class(es) Taken:
DANCEology - James Ervin
Place:
Equinox - Soho
Date:
Fri, 03/05/2010 (All day)
Workout
Salsa Mondays
Back on again with Jose Rosario at Sandra Cameron. My salsa skills progress more slowly than a snail in winter, but they progress.
Class(es) Taken:
Advanced Salsa - Jose Rosario
Place:
Sandra Cameron Dance Center
Date:
Mon, 03/01/2010 (All day)
Workout
Equinox in My Socks
The beauty of the Jan. Plan is (was) that you could go to happy hour, and then still hit the gym at 8:45PM. Amazing! That's what I did (last) Thursday. I had forgotten my sneakers, so I did the elliptical in socks for 20-plus minutes, some of which involved watching The Office (subtitled). Getting off, I thought (again) that watching TV really compromises a workout.
Place:
Equinox - Soho
Workout
Emergency Home Yoga
Got home just shy of 10PM. Lit blue Whole Foods aroma candle. Dimmed lights. Unrolled mat. There had been a few coffees, and safe to say mind and heart were spinning. Somehow sensed that I didn't need to think too far ahead in terms of what poses to do, and I didn't turn on my computer to do a download or look at sequences. This was mainly because my new laptop has none of my old downloads.
Place:
Home
Workout
Superbowl Sunday Yoga
Stephanie Culen's class was crowded for Superbowl day. Mostly women. She's got a gift for the talking, steady, counting almost all the breaths, and firm. She doesn't stop the flow to do demonstrations. She did give me a good correction. It's a different style, and I like it. I'm not a fan of the demos I guess. Sometimes I suspect the teacher of showing off.
Class(es) Taken:
SacredStrength YogaFlow - Stephanie Culen
Place:
Equinox - Soho
Date:
Sun, 02/07/2010 (All day)
Workout
intenSati to Zumba Combo Platter
Last Saturday's intenSati class, which I'm only writing up now, deserves a full essay. It deserves an epic poem. It was the most crowded class I've ever been in -- there must have been 100 of us in the studio. My back was literally to the wall. It seemed insane, really, before class started to think we'd all be jumping and sweating in moments. But we did.
Class(es) Taken:
Place:
Equinox - Greenwich Avenue
Date:
Sat, 02/06/2010 (All day)
Workout
Soul Cycle Tribeca: First Visit
My first trip to Soul Cycle. 8:30AM class in the new Tribeca location. I've biked down there to join my friend P., editor of a certain big daily email publication, who is in turn joining her friend D. who is editor of a certain big design magazine, who happens to be there with her husband, J., editor of a top culture-and-politics website. No doubt, the Soul Cycle press department is responsible. Or it could simply be that, we're on Warren Street in Tribeca, where media power people run wild in high end fitness studios.
Place:
SoulCycle Tribeca
Workout
Hanumanasana with Susanna
The late show at Virayoga with Susanna Rubin. "It's hanuman month!" she announced to us all. A month of splits and hip openers. "I guarantee you're hips will be open if you come this month." It was fun, and she told us all about Hanuman, the buff hindu monkey god of wind. He rides the wind with legs outstretched and arms raised — hence his pose.
Place:
Virayoga
Workout
Salsa Sundays
Normally I wouldn't count Salsa Sundays as a workout...BUT, we really danced. And an amazing thing happened. Sitting in the resto was Evangelina, who turned out to be a salsa teacher, a serious expert.
Workout
Zumba Saturdays
Back with Samuel, and the class was slightly better; though still sort of repetitive. Still, I had a breakthrough afterwards. I did my normal pushups and situps, and also some squats with kettlebell, and I used the cool cable machine on the top floor. But the best was that, just after class, I went into the empty yoga room and finally taught myself the basic samba step.
Place:
Equinox - Greenwich Avenue
Outdoor Workouts
Bootcamp Republic Will Get You Up Early
Tip for those desperate to escape the gym, but requiring group energy to stay motivated: Bootcamp Republic. These guys claim to be the city's "largest bootcamp company," and they're now offering a regular supply of three week camps in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Jersey City. From the looks of their staff page, your drill seargant is likely to have done hard time at one New York gym or another, including David Barton and Equinox. Each camp includes two, hour-and-a-half classes per week, which begin either at 6 A.M. or 7 A.M. Need peer pressure to avoid the snooze button? Your "teammates" will be waiting for you at the meeting place....
We worry a little about the grab bag nature of your fellow campers, but seven out of seven Yelpers give B.R. five stars. Must be said, their website is nicely done, and we like the tongue-in-cheek name. Price is $250, but here's a coupon that gets you 76% off for the first week. Next camp starts June 22nd. Curious? Check the video after the jump, and let us know if you go....
New York
Fitness Video Test Lab
Ballroom Dance DVD That Doesn't Suck
[And now, once again, it's time for another Obscure Fitness DVD Review, with Kimberly Rae Miller. She puts her body on the line, plumbing the depths of her vast exercise video collection, so you don't have to waste your time, and your $8.99.... ~The Eds.]
Ballroom dance-based workouts are usually lame. Case in point: Dancing with the Stars-Cardio Dance. Don't get me started: Those people seem to assume you tour regularly with the Alvin Ailey company. They don't explain their moves, and you stand in your living room feeling pathetic and not sweating. So, I wasn't chomping at the bit to test Dance off the Inches: Dance it off Ballroom, but I popped it in. And, surprisingly, I liked it...a lot.
Online & Video
Day Trips
Short Notice Bliss
Possible strategic daytrip for Saturday: Cue up Dylan, and head to the Bliss Yoga Center in Woodstock, New York where Nicole Meadors is leading an intensive Pilates-and-yoga workshop. Nicole has a low-key, soothing teaching style, and she teaches a regimen that blends Pilates' core-strengthening movements with yoga asanas. All choreographed to music. The class is two-hours, and costs $35. Spend the rest of the day checking out the Bliss Center operation, an eco-friendly property created by Debi Medeski (refugee from NYC and Jivamukti-trained) in June 2001. Bliss offers classes seven days a week, and if you get to town early enough on Saturday, you could double down with Bliss' Vinyasa class in the morning.
Hardcore
Dawn in the Park with Kristi
Hello bootcamp season! Sharath and the yogis are not the only ones getting up early. Kristi Molinaro, of Equinox fame, has taken her 30/60/90 class (registered trademark! voted NY's "Best Fat Burning Class of 2008!") to the Hudson River Park and Central Park for four weeks of crack-of-dawn, outdoor ass kicking. Kristi, cheerful, blonde, smart, and muscular, has developed a large and loyal following within the Equinox system, in part, I think, because she does not coddle. "30/60/90" stands for some hybrid of interval training, and her classes are hard -- mixing cardio work, like jumps and high stepping, with strength moves, like crunches and curls and shoulder presses with small weights. Her style is no-nonsense, almost midwestern in its lack of pretension, and feels effective.
You don't need to be a member of Equinox to join her bootcamps, though you do need some discretionary income: Prices start at $45 for "drop ins," though can be as little as $29 per session if you sign on for the full ride. Details from Kristi after the jump.
New York
I've taken 30/60/90 @ Equinox -- this class kicks butt! It's a ..." More comments...
Extreme Spa Hopping
The Spa Castle
We have a weakness for outer-borough spa adventures. The Russians and Koreans run this racket. Who needs to fly to remote beach, when they can simply turn left en route to La Guardia and take up residence at the Spa Castle on glittering Flushing Bay, a wonderfully awful sounding place. We hope someone will quickly visit and report back...
SPA CASTLE is the perfect combination of traditional Asian saunas and luxurious European spas. In consultation with overseas experts, we created numerous innovative spa and sauna systems never seen before in the United States...Your spa experience begins as you walk through the doors. Multiple purified air dispensers, which distribute filtered oxygen-enriched air, are installed throughout the spa....
We just want to lie on top of that yellow mushroom thing and watch the jets fly overhead.
New York
I'm so going. This is the perfect way to reward myself for BOWC! I ..." More comments...
We Heart NY
A Deal You Can't Refuse
Here's how to feel instantly rich: Pay $75 and join the New York City Parks and Recreation Centers. Yes, we've said it before, but it's such an offensively good deal we have to repeat it. For $6.25 a month, you get full access to 29 locations -- 12 in Manhattan alone -- of which nine have swimming pools. We do not suggest, as per predictable Daily News "recession" story, that you drop your regular gym membership, or yoga studio habit. (That is, unless you happen to live in Flushing with easy access to the brand new $66.3 million Flushing Meadows-Corono Park Natatorium and Ice Rink.) No, this is not a substitute for your normal gym, it's an enhancement. It's about impulse buying extremely cheap, public services.
New York
The best part: not only can you get a year for $75, if you're ..." More comments...
Spindex
Sunday Spin with Marion (and Chelsea)
As promised, Social Workout made the pilgrimmage to SoHo at 10 A.M. on Sunday morning to spin with Marion, much-loved founder of Zone Hampton, (recently re-branded Ride the Zone.) There was alot to check out: Marion herself (it was our first time), her new SoHo studio, the new RealRyder pivoting spin bikes, and, as it happened, Chelsea Clinton, who was there among the largely female crew of 20-30-something spandex-clad spin babes....
New York
Hey BK, look here:
Class Review
Emergency Home Yoga
At 8:59 P.M., still typing feverishly at desk, I accept calmly that I have missed the gym, and even the last yoga class in town. There is a hint of relief in the acceptance. Inertia is on the move, deftly feeding me rationalizations: Just as well to eat now, and rest up. Too late to get the heart racing.... Just then, however, I recall a recent comment back-and-forth on the subject of online yoga. Eureka! Emergency Home Yoga Time! Out comes yoga mat, down go lights. Quick rearrangement of living room furniture, and lighting of incense to transform apartment from office to yoga shala, and suddenly I'm by a quiet lake in Jackson Hole, Wyoming with Adi Amar....
Online & Video
I concur-- a good Emergency Home Yoga fix, but no substitute for a ..." More comments...
Schisms
On Reality and Spinning
If you start to spin, which is like crack for cardio junkies, you'll notice there is a Great Schism. Some teachers believe that the indoor ride should simulate some outdoor reality. Others, in post-modern fashion, have long since broken with the sport of cycling, and simply teach a fitness class, in darkened room, on brutally efficient machines with heavy fly-wheels. Often, the latter group has better music. The former will occassionally go Dungeons & Dragons on you, describing the imaginary terrain you're covering in great detail.
Beautiful Spaces
Nicest Studio in Carroll Gardens and Other Brooklyn Yoga News
Inside sources tell us that recently opened Prema Yoga has the nicest room in Brooklyn. It's on the second floor at the corner of Court and Carroll Streets, with great light and a beautiful mantlepiece area wherein to stash the harmonium. "It has a great feeling," says S., a local yogi who has decided she no longer needs to schlep to Park Slope Yoga Center -- except, that is, to take classes at the PSYC with Aarona. "She's the best yoga teacher I've ever had."
With this, then, we begin our hunt for the nicest studios in New York and Los Angeles. Got a candidate? Comment here or click on the tips box. Meanwhile, a bit more on Prema....
New York
Yay! I anticipate some confusion around the sign up. Don't panic. If you get lost navigating to SW 2.0, simply post a comment here, and we'll sort you out. Anyone who signs up, look for an invite to the test by 2 P.M. today, EST.
Posted in response to: Salute the Sun!
We're now at 99.9%!
Posted in response to: Ninety Nine Point Eight Percent Complete!
They're prepping the bottles of champagne in the locker room! The press is gathering!
Posted in response to: Ninety Nine Point Eight Percent Complete!
MEA CULPA! I've been preoccupied with, you know, SW2.0, but I feel strongly that the good old days of nonstop AM/PM fitness culture commentary will be back soon. I'm scheming a big happy collision of new functionality and editorial excellence and communal schmoozing for soon. We're determined to challenge and amuse you. Just FYI.
Posted in response to: MAJOR Gripe with SW :(
You're now offiially back on track! And we're offiially holding you accountable!
Posted in response to: Thank goodness I [m]log with pen and paper.
Mohawk! Welcome back, and thank you for injecting some contrarian energy and the whiff of scandal into the final minutes of the MMM. That is meant sincerely, by the way. (Also, FYI, meant to welcome you properly on your own return post, but got sidetracked by my own long journey in the land of SW 2.0 upgrades.)
I have two things to say on this debate. First, as msh258 points out elsewhere: This challenge is expansive, not limited to "workouts" of the sort that a professional athlete might do, and allows people to include all of their minutes of intential physical activity. Second, as FatBottomSlim points out above, this challenge is interminable (but epic), and so I am profoundly grateful for michlny and bwaytapper, and some of the other Super Mloggers for dragging my sorry ass to the finish line! Thank you!
And one third point: Today I will spend some substantial part of my day contemplating how we will properly celebrate One Million. Your suggestions welcome.
Posted in response to: The Final Sprinters!
Hey Fraidy,
Sorry for the trouble. How are you trying to post the link? You should be able to double click the little "chain" icon in the edit window, and than paste your URL. Lemme know where you're things are going awry.
Posted in response to: Why can't I ever post something with links?
Killer workout!
Posted in response to: All this family time means getting creative about exercise
Bam! It took less than four minutes to get there. 900,053 and counting. Muchas gracias. Next stop: One. Million.
Posted in response to: Seven Minutes to 900K
Ha! Yes, well, our auto scheduler is a bit wonky, and so I do it manually; and sometimes I get excited and want to post the Wake Up Call right away. Think of it as morning in Australia!
Posted in response to: We Don't Know the Power
Belated: My favorite post title in AGES. Thx.
Posted in response to: MARCELLINA, SUSANNA, AND CHERUBINO RUN IN THE CORNFIELDS
That's hilarious and great. So glad we could help!
Posted in response to: SW Cures Insomnia!
So beautiful! And so glad to have you back. Welcome to you and Jane.
Posted in response to: Reborn
Woops! Apologies for the typo: Fixed now: maymay is the new leader of the dancing category (bravo!), and erikka is the longtime top mlogger in cycling, spinning, and rowing.
Matty G. Never underestimate the MMM's longevity. ;-)
Posted in response to: Saluting the Daily Hour at 850K
[TECH NOTE: THIS POST WAS LOST BUT HAS BEEN RECREATED. FOLLOWING WAS COMMENT THREAD. -THE EDS]
omg I tried that class once and I could not believe how adding little hand weights turns those innocent-looking poses into beasts! Have you tried the yoga wings class? It looks like silk, I think feels like silk, but you can put your feet on the ground (or hands, depending on your position). And it's kind of great – if you can't do the poses, you can just swing or hang out, literally.
Submitted by spindig on 07.15.10 at 05:17.
@spin - i'm definitely thinking of trying it, even if other SW'ers have hated it.
Submitted by vonhottie on 07.15.10 at 05:29.
Baby-Cakes: baby steps into the big guns. For perspective: it takes a year or mor for a baby to learn how to walk. I think that could be insight in making great changes in one's well bring and physical challenges. Muscle memory is going to kick in before you know it!! Love u, Von. xxx
Submitted by Kaitlyn on 07.15.10 at 11:10.
Vonhottie, I do think you should try Aerial Yoga it is a kind intro to silks.... but I think that you should go to a real studio, not the Crunch version since I don't think those are as good!
Submitted by FatBottomSlim on 07.15.10 at 11:56.
I used to take yoga wings on a regular basis and loved it. I think the people who hated it just had a bad experience with the wrong instructors. I also hated it the first time I took it. Also the first few times its a little uncomfortable until you get used to it.
Submitted by Fraidy on 07.16.10 at 12:00.
i'd give it another shot with a different instructor!
Submitted by msh258 on 07.16.10 at 09:43.
@msh wwho did you take when you went? I'd go with you again.
Submitted by vonhottie on 07.16.10 at 01:58.
i don't even remember...but it was on 59th street...maybe llaves remembers. maybe some of the other SW'ers who take it can recommend a good class?
Submitted by msh258 on 07.16.10 at 02:01.
come take it on sundays at fort greene with ilaria. she is really good!
Submitted by Fraidy on 07.16.10 at 02:43.
i prob can't do this sunday, but vonhotness: let's try for another time!
Submitted by msh258 on 07.16.10 at 02:51.
@msh - the next 3 sundays are bad for me. here's a manhattan wings schedule if any of these work for you. I"m out of town the 21-23 and again the 7/27-8/1. otherwise i'll go with you. the class you didn't like was wednedays w/ nikki
AntiGravity®
Yoga ‘Wings’
12:30 PM Sunday 60 min. E. 59th Street Stacy M
AntiGravity®
Yoga ‘Wings’
6:00 PM Monday 60 min. E. 59th Street Deanna S
AntiGravity®
Yoga ‘Wings’
8:15 PM Wednesday 60 min. E. 59th Street Nikki B
AntiGravity®
Yoga ‘Wings’
5:00 PM Friday 60 min. W. 38th Street Einat L
AntiGravity®
Yoga ‘Wings’
1:00 PM Saturday 60 min. W. 38th Street Christy N
AntiGravity®
2:00 PM Saturday 60 min. E. 59th Street Deanna S
Submitted by vonhottie on 07.16.10 at 03:32.
how about one of the saturday classes one week?
Submitted by msh258 on 07.16.10 at 04:06.
Posted in response to: Soon I will be Buffer than Buff Yoga
ADRIANA is FERALICIOUS!
Posted in response to: PLAYING WITH MY BIKES
Ha, well we reported that Spain won....
Still, point taken, and it's clearly time to hire someone to cover sports. Send intern resumes ASAP.
Posted in response to: Broken Lance, and the Tour Rolls On
Now I love it AND I don't feel guilty. I didn't know that In-N-Out was so eco-friendly. That's cool.
Perhaps we can orchestrate a grassroots In-N-Out import campaign. Like the Berlin Airlift, but featuring burgers and working through complete strangers, perhaps on JetBlue.....
Posted in response to: Mystery Packages and the Magical Powers of In-N-Out
He carries burgers back in the suitcase? I have so many questions about this routine, and, even ignorant, (and even though it involves transporting beef and consuming jet fuel, and i'm still very much under the influence of Food, Inc.), I love it dearly.
Good luck with the Fuel Belt mystery (I can't help sadly), and very nice work with the Friday spin. You've inspired me to get my butt to a weekend edition of Marion at RTZ....
Posted in response to: Mystery Packages and the Magical Powers of In-N-Out
werd!
Posted in response to: Joesgirl Feat Suggestion #3: If you could achieve any feat this summer . . . what would it be?
on 12 years 32 weeks ago by Oliver